Jumblepudding So is an indicator of the Khan lineage a preference for fur hats, as suggested in The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? I wonder if it is testable. In fact, it seems more than likely that the individual picked out by these tests is one of these three.
This game can be played ad infinitem, of course, but above Qabul Khan the genealogy is less reliable, and the more distant relatives of Genghis probably had relatively little advantage.
Alexander was bisexual and unenthusiastic, tending toward celibacy. Karl XII of Sweden, who came close to making Sweden a great power in the place of Prussia and Russia, was so uninterested that his counselors considered putting aphrodisiacs in his food he never did marry. Genghis had several hundred wives, of whom only eight were important to him, and that size of harem is also seen in the Muslim world and among the Rus ca.
Charlemagne has children by 8 women, as his monkish biographers noted without comment. John Emerson In Russia the language of the ruling group switched from Mongol to Turkish quite early — the mass of the troops were Turks. So many of the Tatars were probably Mongol in descent. This would skew the results a bit. Despite his pagan practices, Muslims needed to believe that his power was from God, punishing Islam for its sinfulness.
He plays a role in Islam a bit like that of Alexander the Great, who is an important figure in Muslim legend. Steve C Another historical figure to have likely left many descendants is Attila the Hun. He is reputed to have had wives and, undoubtedly, many offspring. The early Bulgar khans may have been his descendants. Samo, the Frankish unifier of Slavic tribes in the 7th century could also have left a disproportionate number of descendants. There is no such reverence for Genghis in Islam quite naturally as he lived many centuries after Muhammad and instead the majority of Muslims have seen him as an evil man and condemned him from his time until the present day because of all the butchery and harm he and his lineage did to the Muslim world.
Baumeister expands upon several of the points made in your concluding paragraph. Mongols borrowed this term from the Turkic groups nearby them. It was already a common ruler title and later also a male given name never used alone, always attached to another name among pre-Mongol Turkics and Iranians, so it is wrong to connect it to Genghis Khan. I have never too deeply focused on South Asian history. In Mongolian history, there were 4 types of Khans: Grand Khaan — Ikh Haan.
This is the title of those khans who ruled the entire Mongol Empire after the death of Chinggis Khan. There were only 4 Grand Khaans. Baga Khan — Junior Khan. Khan — This is the title of those khans who ruled various provinces of Mongolia during the Manchu Qing — centuries.
This is not precise. Another boost perhaps on what the Confucian exam system for the Imperial Bureaucracy might have contributed? There are so many interesting statistical measures in genealogy, though most may be almost impossible to measure.
There their relatives are today known as Oirats and the two populations still share the same western mongolian dialect and culture, in spite of years apart. I was aware that there is no Koranic basis for any positive impression of Genghis Khan, since GK appeared many centuries after the Koran was produced.
But thanks for reminding me anyway. The rise of nationalism, as discussed above, drove Chinggis into the fringes of the Muslim collective memory and returned him to his initial role of ultimate villain.
You might learn something. Do they have libraries where you live? The Mughal dynasty is one case, and all Timurid dynasties, and all Chinggisid dynasties, which is a lot of them. Probably few Arab dynasties did. Like Razib, I find your assertive and often undocumented style extremely annoying.
My initial statement should have been qualified in certain ways but with suitable qualifications was true. You had a correct instinct that the statement was overbroad but no particular knowledge or documentation to bring forward except what you know personally about present-day Islam.
The part of your comment I quoted above tells a lot. All the dynasties you mention here are Mongolian by origin and one way or another have blood relationship with Chinggis, so it is very normal for them to flatter him, acquit him and praise him even after converting to Islam. My question was only about non-Mongolian Muslim dynasties and peoples that are unrelated to the post-Chinggis Central Asia.
All you said regarding them is this: