Out of curiosity I went to YouTube and clicked to hear. Two dudes take a walk smoke a joint and kaboom! I get burned with Perversion. I remember hearing somewhere the demons tempt toward unnatural sins and then boogie even they know how repulsive it is. Arch-ultra fornicatio of musical talent. Spell check is tricky on a phone. Therefore they admit god is real by saying they hate him. Michael Freed Mind No, they hate ignorant sheep who believe in story book characters and judge others because of it.
Bershawn You do realize that Christians will not turn because of ad hominem insults from nonbelievers, I trust? Trolling a Catholic site seems an odd pastime for a non-believer. Peace, love, Jesus and Catholicism to you. AH is when you refer to a personal character trait or flaw of your opponent as a means to discredit his argument. Thanks for the insight.
In fact, I did a correlative comparison of the average IQ of each state in the US as compared with the general religiosity of the same state. The trends are pretty uniformly comparative. Alain de Botton is a philosopher who come up with what he calls it Atheism 2. He explores What aspects of religion should atheists respectfully adopt? This is just awesome. I love his concept. We can still have them on our own terms. Not a single word, or concept, in the bible is original. Immaculate births, healing, fire and brimstone, even David v.
Goliath are adaptations from far older religions. The Catholic day of Epiphany is the only original idea. Tabitha Yes Easter is from the word Ester. Goddess of fertility Pagan. Christians did not still the date or dates of any other holiday. The people hundreds of years ago got together and combined everything together because more people were off than working.
You could not work on these days. Christmas is what pagans called winter solstice where they decorated trees and passed out gifts. The dumb crap where you put stuff on trees has little to nothing to do with Christmas, rather the winter solstice itself. Rachel Except that Christ was not born anywhere near December 25th. Most Bible Historians put his birth in April based on surviving census records.
The day we celebrate as Christmas was chosen to make pagans convert to Christianity by saying look we have the same holidays etc. But, in my early twenties I discovered new age spiritualism with reincarnation, karma, meditation etc and it answers all of the questions of life.
I still believe in Jesus but as an advanced soul as were others who walked this earth and suffered. Ancient Israelite s did not celebrate birthdays. The winter solstice was chosen because of the symbolism, the Light of the World coming into the world in its darkest hour. I pray that god shows you that brother. What I would like are further insights into what you said. I welcome advice, but would like to ask some follow up questions: How do you know that our understanding is too limited, when it is precisely your understanding that you are relying on in order to make this determination?
If so, what makes you so special that God would give you this insight and not me? Are you a better, or somehow more deserving person than I am? As far as God goes, I was a Christian for 35 years, a vast majority of my life. The fact that you once believed and no longer believe is inconsequential. Your revulsion to faith in God makes it seem like there is a lot more than just atheism and curiosity behind your comments.
Otherwise what is the need to be on a christian forum? Seems like a ridiculous waste of time to me. I think that we should all be subject to criticism i. Engaging in conversation and both learning about others and having them learn what motivates our worldview is a very integral part of who we are.
I think that this is a crucial detail. It demonstrates a willingness to change my beliefs to comport with reality, and this is something I continue to strive for as I discussed in the previous paragraph.
Without going into great detail on a public forum, I was devoted to Christianity and very proactive in seeking out my faith for 35 years before I finally had the courage to question the truth of it. And I know that I am not the only one because I have had theists comment on this very thread that my voice is appreciated.
You see, PTA mom, there are some people who are reasonable and open-minded to at least consider what other people think before closing themselves off simply because we disagree. I would humbly suggest that you might learn more from people like me if you could learn to be more open to hearing what I and others like me have to say.
It is bothering me slightly that some of the key points of this song are misinterpreted. Not least that the protagonist is bearing his willingness to be judged and punished for his feelings.
I was recently interviewed by a woman who also read this comment thread because she is writing a paper on the song and wanted the perspective of an atheist. Songs like these are written open-endedly. That is clearly a theme in the music video, but an interview of Hozier suggested something more broad. Rather, he says that the song is about a theme of institutions condemning behavior which is a natural aspect of what it means to be human.
Catherine Cobbold Hi thanks for the reply , and you are welcome in regards to the compliment! That does not mean I understand and am not perplexed sometimes why people want to do anything extremely unusual or outside my admittedly boring perception of usual! You are completely right when you say beliefs should be malleable and subject to change with future learning.
I think the interpretation that I admittedly focused on primarily, and that you highlighted as a common one, that this song is written solely on the subject of sexual orientation, comes obviously from the video, but also from the Wikipedia page which said exactly that near the top- and pretty much in the lyric interpretation section- maybe it should be clarified!
I see what you mean with the song comparisons and you are right, the ambiguity is there and it makes the song all the more powerful if listeners can apply it to a multitude of situations. And that is when a good song or poem brushes against genius. I was happy when I realised that Hozier used this ability for this cause. I feel like doing music A level just to write about it. Hozier, what a champ! Mark Burns Catherine, Are you a Libertarian?
The idea that no one else to include the government should interfere with you if you are engaged in an activity that is not harmful to others and willingly engaged in yourself is a key development in my views. Not so much in regard to religion as you pointed out, but more to politics. On religion and morality, my views are shaped by humanism and egalitarianism.
I was interested in the Wiki page on the song. I agree that Hozier does say that the song lyrics do deal primarily with forbidden love.
I went back to the source quoted in the lyrics section footnote 6. In the original article, Hozier seems to both acknowledge this and tie it in to the broader themes.
Here is the question: Electing, in this case a female, to choose a love who is worth loving. I am an atheist, but I read and quote the Bible often.
I believe that we can find moral wisdom in many places, but I do not believe that it can be found in only one place. I evaluate the morality of the Bible against the concepts of egalitarianism and humanism.
If the Bible says something moral, I adopt the wisdom. One of my favorite passages is Matthew 7. Those who have been marginalized by the religious institutions of our country are in a paradigm shift.
In our modern age of information availability, non-believers are no longer relegated to sitting quietly in the shadows, subservient to the will of the theist majority. Catherine Cobbold Hi Mark, Thanks for the interesting reply, hope you are well. You are right to map this subject into political beliefs as well, where you mentioned that no one has the right to oppress another.
I find this link absolutely fascinating. Is there a link between IQ and choices we make in religious belief and political persuasion? But I guess the power was stripped from them by the Tories.
We now have more determined left wing parties such as the Greens collecting interest and becoming contenders in the foray, with new far right parties also frighteningly gaining serious momentum, and the lefter of our two Omi-parties making promises in their Eton-honed accents that actually have left wing roots for the first time in a long time. I find myself looking at communist theorem and blinking in a confused manner at the struggling poor people who are so sure that sharing is bad even though it would lift them.
The same confused blink mode that kickstarts when I see a Christian talking about the love and forgiveness the religion claims in one hand it promotes, then completely missing the painful points made in the original song and video we were discussing, and how more tolerance could benefit everyone.
Without the anti-choice and anti-tolerance that I think comes from the overlap of religion onto the Republican Party. Not sure if you have other smaller parties that even get a look in though?